samedi 30 mars 2019

Re: [apple-iphone] SE Camera

 

Thanks for the analysis, Jim.  


Your depth of detail includes description of the capabilities that explain how the latest iPhone cameras surpass the older ones and make them truly competitive with cameras such as the Nikon, and you suggest specific iPhone models that provide those capabilities.

Many iPhone users, including me, are in the group who have been satisfied by the likes of an autofocus $120 Canon PowerShot in the past.

My first Apple camera was in a fourth generation iPod Touch device.  The promotions for the device implied that the camera was adequate. The photos were all grainy. It was a deep disappointment.

What I was trying to say in my post was that all of the fairly recent iPhones could make acceptable snapshots...  nothing more.

Thanks again for providing specific facts and examples...

Bim B
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On Mar 30, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Jim Saklad jimdoc@icloud.com [apple-iphone] <apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

THE FOLLOWING IS OPINION FOR WHICH I HAVE NO PROOF WHATSOEVER:

Unless you are going to blow up or crop and blow up your pictures…

Many of us do exactly that.

It IS true that the newer iPhones have better cameras and much better cameras than the older ones…  especially for use in low light situations, and the improved capabilities for portraits are impressive, but for snapshots that will never be bigger than 3X5 or 4X6, the older iPhones are perfectly suitable.

"Bim" B who was happy with his iPhone 5s camera and is happy with his iPhone SE camera now. (I upgraded my 5S because it had only 16GB storage)

The 7+, 8+, X, XS, and XS Max all have dual rear-facing cameras, one with the 35mm full-frame camera equivalent of a 28mm focal length, and one with 56mm.

This means that one can get that closer-in image without losing detail by having to enlarge/crop a wide-angle image.

I would estimate that perhaps 70-80% of the images I've shot in the last 15 months have been shot at 2x...

Furthermore, newer devices have faster processors, and often more memory, which means that computational photography features (such as low-light compensation or depth-of-field) are possible that would be tedious and unfriendly, or frankly not possible, with older devices.

For example, I have been documenting the rebuilding of my home, post-fire, and almost all of my non-flash interior images (with only dim light filtering in from outside) look warm and well-lit. Since I have owned and used a 3G, 3Gs, 4, 4s, 5s, 6+, and X prior to my present XS Max, I can say with some authority that this would not have been true in years past.

If in decades past, you would have been happy carrying around a Kodak Brownie camera, then don't go for these new guys, at least not for the camera.

If you've been carrying around a Nikon since 1960, you might feel differently. I really like the higher quality lenses on my Nikon, and the better exposure control, and the ability to use a true zoom. But I'd rather carry an iPhone wherever I go than ALWAYS carry my Nikon.

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Re: [apple-iphone] SE Camera

 

I have a JETech Tempered Glass Screen Protector for the iPhone SE that was supplied in error.

Joyce, if you are resident in the United Kingdom, you are welcome to have it free.

If this is  of interest, please respond OFF LIST

If Joyce doesn't want it, the offer is  open to anybody else


MC Black



On 30/03/2019 11:09, joycekeay@comcast.net [apple-iphone] wrote:
 

Hi Pat, Wow!  i wish I had that information when I was shopping for phones.  I got a good deal on the SE at the time and I have a serious DSL camera so it isn't crucial that I have a great camera on the iPhone but it would have been nice to know that the SE camera isn't as good as on other models.


While looking at the specs I also found this link which shows the best deals on iPhones as of March 2019.  I'm not going to upgrade now but this information will be good for the future and maybe others in this group will find it useful.


So thanks for the info. I appreciate it!

Joyce Keay


---In apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com, <pat412@...> wrote :

This chart compares the specs on the various iPhone models:


When the latest SE was released, it was a slight improvement versus the 5s.  Here's info:


Pat 

On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:18 AM, joycekeay@... [apple-iphone] <apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi, I have an SE purchased this past July..  I went to a photo conference last November and one of the workshops was about improving your photos taken with an iPhone.  It was then that I discovered that the camera on the SE cannot do all the things the camera on other models can do.  Nothing had been said about that in the workshop literature, but more importantly I do not think anything was said on the Apple site at the time I bought it that the camera was not the same as other models and the salesman at Verizon said nothing about this.  So, of the current iPhone models available which ones have the best cameras?  I know there is a new model that replaces the SE.  Does that also have a camera with reduced functions?


Thank you.


Joyce Keay




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Re: [apple-iphone] SE Camera

 

THE FOLLOWING IS OPINION FOR WHICH I HAVE NO PROOF WHATSOEVER:

Unless you are going to blow up or crop and blow up your pictures…

Many of us do exactly that.

It IS true that the newer iPhones have better cameras and much better cameras than the older ones…  especially for use in low light situations, and the improved capabilities for portraits are impressive, but for snapshots that will never be bigger than 3X5 or 4X6, the older iPhones are perfectly suitable.

"Bim" B who was happy with his iPhone 5s camera and is happy with his iPhone SE camera now. (I upgraded my 5S because it had only 16GB storage)

The 7+, 8+, X, XS, and XS Max all have dual rear-facing cameras, one with the 35mm full-frame camera equivalent of a 28mm focal length, and one with 56mm.

This means that one can get that closer-in image without losing detail by having to enlarge/crop a wide-angle image.

I would estimate that perhaps 70-80% of the images I've shot in the last 15 months have been shot at 2x..

Furthermore, newer devices have faster processors, and often more memory, which means that computational photography features (such as low-light compensation or depth-of-field) are possible that would be tedious and unfriendly, or frankly not possible, with older devices.

For example, I have been documenting the rebuilding of my home, post-fire, and almost all of my non-flash interior images (with only dim light filtering in from outside) look warm and well-lit. Since I have owned and used a 3G, 3Gs, 4, 4s, 5s, 6+, and X prior to my present XS Max, I can say with some authority that this would not have been true in years past.

If in decades past, you would have been happy carrying around a Kodak Brownie camera, then don't go for these new guys, at least not for the camera.

If you've been carrying around a Nikon since 1960, you might feel differently. I really like the higher quality lenses on my Nikon, and the better exposure control, and the ability to use a true zoom. But I'd rather carry an iPhone wherever I go than ALWAYS carry my Nikon.

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Re: [apple-iphone] SE Camera

 

I have been reading some of the recent posts about iPhone cameras with interest…


THE FOLLOWING IS OPINION FOR WHICH I HAVE NO PROOF WHATSOEVER:

Unless you are going to blow up or crop and blow up your pictures, the cameras on every iPhone since about the iPhone 5 produce images that are virtually indistinguishable to the human eye.

It IS true that the newer iPhones have better cameras and much better cameras than the older ones…  especially for use in low light situations, and the improved capabilities for portraits are impressive, but for snapshots that will never be bigger than 3X5 or 4X6, the older iPhones are perfectly suitable..

"Bim" B who was happy with his iPhone 5s camera and is happy with his iPhone SE camera now. (I upgraded my 5S because it had only 16GB storage)



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Re: [apple-iphone] Display in Music

 

Yes, indeed, which is why I recommend Onkyo HF Player and foorbar2000 on the iPhone. Both free unless you want to play hi-res. 

Otto

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 12:30, nphudd@cantab.net [apple-iphone] <apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Thanks for your reply, Otto. No - I have searched for ages on the device and in itunes, and can only get icons which is VERY IRRITATING (is someone at Apple listening). I don't need artwork as the music is only to play over the car's system - I need a simple list of albums.
Thanks Otto - it helps to find it's not me, it's Apple
 

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